Scoring Options Across the League
Scoring Options Across the League
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I've been having a (text) conversation with Tong over the past few weeks where I suggest he changes his third scoring option to someone he actually wants to shoot. Tong is certain that his strategy is his best option, given that it worked out pretty well last year.
Hard to argue with that, but in order to determine out how out of the ordinary his strategy is, I created a table detailing the scoring options choices across the league. This is based on the latest available DCs
1. The Pacers are the only team with a scoring option under 10 points (excluding Kuzma who has played very few minutes so far this year)
2. Among competing teams, it is rare for a scoring option to play off the bench (I am trying out something new this sim, the only other exceptions are the wolves, pacers and spurs)
3. The most common #1 option position is SG with 12 occurrences, next is SF with 6 and then PG with 5
4. 23 teams have the starting SG as a scoring option, 20 have their starting PG, and 18 having their starting SF
5. The knicks scoring options are generating 82 ppg
I've been having a (text) conversation with Tong over the past few weeks where I suggest he changes his third scoring option to someone he actually wants to shoot. Tong is certain that his strategy is his best option, given that it worked out pretty well last year.
Hard to argue with that, but in order to determine out how out of the ordinary his strategy is, I created a table detailing the scoring options choices across the league. This is based on the latest available DCs
1. The Pacers are the only team with a scoring option under 10 points (excluding Kuzma who has played very few minutes so far this year)
2. Among competing teams, it is rare for a scoring option to play off the bench (I am trying out something new this sim, the only other exceptions are the wolves, pacers and spurs)
3. The most common #1 option position is SG with 12 occurrences, next is SF with 6 and then PG with 5
4. 23 teams have the starting SG as a scoring option, 20 have their starting PG, and 18 having their starting SF
5. The knicks scoring options are generating 82 ppg
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| Team | W | L | Win % | Name | Position | String | PPG | Name | Position | String | PPG | Name | Position | String | PPG | Total PPG | |||||
| Knicks | 37 | 12 | 75.5% | Carmelo | SG | 1 | 36.0 | Joel Embiid | C | 1 | 24.6 | Myles Turner | SF | 1 | 21.4 | 82.0 | |||||
| Mavericks | 34 | 13 | 72.3% | Kyrie Irving | PG | 1 | 33.9 | Jimmy Butler | SG | 1 | 20.8 | Blake Griffin | PF | 1 | 20.6 | 75.3 | |||||
| 76ers | 18 | 24 | 42.9% | Lamarcus Aldridge | PF | 1 | 20.0 | Chris Paul | SG | 1 | 21.3 | Lebron James | PG | 1 | 32.0 | 73.3 | |||||
| Kings | 24 | 20 | 54.5% | Monta Ellis | SG | 1 | 24.8 | Ryno | SF | 1 | 27.3 | Eric Bledsoe | PG | 1 | 20.5 | 72.6 | |||||
| Nets | 25 | 19 | 56.8% | Lou Williams | SG | 1 | 29.4 | Kemba Walker | PG | 1 | 22.8 | Anthony Davis | PF | 1 | 20.3 | 72.5 | |||||
| Heat | 21 | 23 | 47.7% | Dame Lillard | PG | 1 | 25.1 | Dwyane Wade | SF | 1 | 23.0 | Klay Thompson | SG | 1 | 24.3 | 72.4 | |||||
| Timberwolves | 26 | 17 | 60.5% | James Harden | PG | 1 | 26.8 | THJ | PG, SG, SF | 2, 3 | 21.0 | Giannis | PF | 1 | 23.6 | 71.4 | |||||
| Raptors | 30 | 12 | 71.4% | Demarcus Cousins | PF | 1 | 26.1 | Yaroslav | SG | 1 | 24.9 | Aaron Gordon | SF | 1 | 19.2 | 70.2 | |||||
| Hawks | 32 | 17 | 65.3% | Kevin Durant | SF | 1 | 32.7 | Tyreke Evans | SG | 1 | 23.0 | Valanciunas | PF | 1 | 14.2 | 69.9 | |||||
| Grizzlies | 33 | 10 | 76.7% | Zinger | SF | 1 | 24.2 | CJ Miles | PG, SG, SF | 2 | 25.3 | Mike Conley | PG | 1 | 19.9 | 69.4 | |||||
| Celtics | 25 | 18 | 58.1% | Jamal Crawford | PG | 1 | 25.2 | Beasley | SF | 1 | 25.1 | Paul George | SG | 1 | 18.6 | 68.9 | |||||
| Jazz | 28 | 11 | 71.8% | Marvin Williams | SF | 1 | 31.3 | Greg Oden | C | 1 | 21.1 | Jameer Nelson | PG | 1 | 15.7 | 68.1 | |||||
| Rockets | 11 | 29 | 27.5% | Rudy Fernandez | SG | 1 | 29.5 | Gasol | PF, C | 2 | 14.5 | Brandon Roy | SF | 1 | 20.4 | 64.4 | |||||
| Magic | 35 | 13 | 72.9% | Devin Booker | SG | 1 | 22.5 | Eddy Curry | C | 1 | 14.3 | Steph Curry | PG | 1 | 26.6 | 63.4 | |||||
| Suns | 31 | 14 | 68.9% | Boban | C | 1 | 29.6 | Shaun Livingston | PG | 1 | 17.9 | Dwight Howard | PF | 1 | 15.6 | 63.1 | |||||
| Spurs | 22 | 17 | 56.4% | Kevin Love | PF | 1 | 24.2 | Tyus Jones | PG | 1 | 20.4 | Dahntay Jones | PG, SG | 2 | 17.7 | 62.3 | |||||
| Trail Blazers | 10 | 31 | 24.4% | McCants | SG | 1 | 25.6 | Markkanen | PF | 1 | 14.5 | OJ Mayo | PG, SG, SF | 1 | 19.8 | 59.9 | |||||
| Cavaliers | 20 | 28 | 41.7% | Lavine | SG | 1 | 30.2 | Crowder | PG, SG, SF | 2 | 13.2 | Dlo | PG | 1 | 15.1 | 58.5 | |||||
| Lakers | 12 | 27 | 30.8% | CJ McCollum | SG | 1 | 18.1 | Rubio | PG | 1 | 21.9 | Wiggins | SF | 1 | 16.9 | 56.9 | |||||
| Clippers | 22 | 20 | 52.4% | Eddie Griffin | C | 1 | 17.3 | Derrick Rose | SG | 1 | 26.6 | Markelle Fultz | PG | 1 | 12.4 | 56.3 | |||||
| Hornets | 16 | 31 | 34.0% | Jamal Murray | SG | 1 | 20.5 | Jonathan Isaac | PF | 1 | 14.4 | Yao | C | 1 | 21.2 | 56.1 | |||||
| Bucks | 6 | 37 | 14.0% | Bradley Beal | SG | 1 | 20.2 | Spida Mitchell | SF | 1 | 21.5 | Patty Mills | PG | 1 | 14.1 | 55.8 | |||||
| Pacers | 29 | 20 | 59.2% | Chris Bosh | C | 1 | 22.2 | Jrue Holiday | PG | 1 | 22.8 | Damion James | PG, SF | 2 | 9.7 | 54.7 | |||||
| Pistons | 20 | 25 | 44.4% | Otto Porter Jr | SF | 1 | 17.9 | Harrison Barnes | SG | 1 | 17.6 | Dejounte Murray | PG | 1 | 19.1 | 54.6 | |||||
| Warriors | 18 | 26 | 40.9% | Jabari Parker | SF | 1 | 19.1 | Sabonis | PF | 1 | 13.8 | Dipo | SG | 1 | 18.5 | 51.4 | |||||
| Bulls | 11 | 34 | 24.4% | John Wall | PG | 1 | 20.8 | Derrick White | SG | 1 | 12.9 | Dillon Brooks | SF | 1 | 14.6 | 48.3 | |||||
| SuperSonics | 18 | 27 | 40.0% | Norman Powell | SG | 1 | 14.8 | Green | PG | 1 | 15.1 | TLC | SF | 1 | 14.5 | 44.4 | |||||
| Bullets | 8 | 37 | 17.8% | Warren | SG | 1 | 12.9 | Wood | SF | 2 | 15.9 | Siakam | SF | 1 | 11.9 | 40.7 | |||||
| Nuggets | 18 | 28 | 39.1% | Kuzma | SF | 1 | 4.6 | Alex Caruso | SG | 1 | 10.7 | Vucevic | PF | 1 | 11.8 | 27.1 |
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Scoring Options Across the League
Would be interesting how many non-options are 15+ PPG. I know Tong is a believer that options are where you want the ball not where you want the points.
Think it is a fun topic to dive into with Ashes and Jesse on a pod at some point
Think it is a fun topic to dive into with Ashes and Jesse on a pod at some point
Scoring Options Across the League
This is a dope article!
To expand upon my scoring option philosophy (based on the data I've seen):
- Most players show worse possession efficiency when set as an option. Few players perform at the same efficiency when set as option, and VERY few show improved efficiency.
- Volume generally increases when a player is set as the top option, but I have yet to see consistent evidence of volume increasing for the second and third options.
- My general theory is that scorers are better as either "off ball" (better as a non-option) or "on ball" (better as an option). This might be semantic, but on ashes' depth chart guide the description for option doesn't say "who you want to shoot" - it says "who you want to have the ball".
- To unify the above - my approach is that options should be set as players who 1/ at a minimum don't see significant drops in efficiency when set as an option, and 2/ ideally show increased volume when set as an option. If you have 3 players that fit this bill, that's ideal - if not, the remaining option slots are better set as lower-utilization players who are less turnover-prone.
As always, I'd love alternate perspectives to the above!
To expand upon my scoring option philosophy (based on the data I've seen):
- Most players show worse possession efficiency when set as an option. Few players perform at the same efficiency when set as option, and VERY few show improved efficiency.
- Volume generally increases when a player is set as the top option, but I have yet to see consistent evidence of volume increasing for the second and third options.
- My general theory is that scorers are better as either "off ball" (better as a non-option) or "on ball" (better as an option). This might be semantic, but on ashes' depth chart guide the description for option doesn't say "who you want to shoot" - it says "who you want to have the ball".
- To unify the above - my approach is that options should be set as players who 1/ at a minimum don't see significant drops in efficiency when set as an option, and 2/ ideally show increased volume when set as an option. If you have 3 players that fit this bill, that's ideal - if not, the remaining option slots are better set as lower-utilization players who are less turnover-prone.
As always, I'd love alternate perspectives to the above!
Scoring Options Across the League
I think handles/turnovers need to be included in any discourse surrounding options to get a full picture.
A lot of times, I’m just trying to mitigate damages/TOs when setting options
A lot of times, I’m just trying to mitigate damages/TOs when setting options
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