[REJECTED] Proposed Rule Change: Outlawing Ghosting

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Should we enact the ghosting tax

Yes
4
24%
No
13
76%
 
Total votes: 17

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This strikes me as insanely hard to apply fairly without feeling punitive. I think we can all just try to be responsive and not dicks?
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as i always say, if you're getting ghosted, just keep texting that person interminably so they feel your suffering until you get a formal no one week later
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jwoo wrote: January 20th, 2025, 2:43 pm as i always say, if you're getting ghosted, just keep texting that person interminably so they feel your suffering until you get a formal no one week later
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If Joe or Jesse steal 500RP from me because of this then i am against it.

Being one of the big “ghosters” in this league, this will get bad fast. What about a rule as well about over stepping with offers? I dont enjoy waking up every day with a text from people in this league(they know who they are) for my player when they already know im not just going to hand my players over.

Im sick of being manipulated in to trades. I know what my team needs, i know what ive been looking for. I know my level of risk. I dont care about how bad you need my player. I AM TRYING TO WIN TOO.

Guess i gotta respond to George rn before he steals 500RP from me
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mantypas/CavsCzar wrote: January 20th, 2025, 1:52 pm I voted no simply due to how the rule is constructed. I try not to ghost folks and sorry if I do, but the people I have ghosted (sorry Jwoo) it’s likely cuz I’ve gotten a bunch of offers and they know I am not super interested. We know there are some more active and less active individuals in this league. That’s ok IMO. If you love love this and talk all day about it great, if you log on once a day or once every two days, that’s fine too IMO. I know this was not the intent of the rule at all, but it could lead to the more active people spamming trade ideas to less active people, clocking it, then snagging RP from people that may just not be on their phones/computers as often as others. Again, I don’t think people actually would do that, love of the game right, but it is a possibility with how the rules is currently proposed.
And 500 RP is a lot for less active folks.
Think this is fair, but agree w Joe that weaponizing this rule to generate RP from less active GMs would be extremely shitty and would def violate rule 1. Agree that maybe 500 RP is hefty, but I also think there’s kinda no excuse for that behavior - ideally this would get enforced exactly 0 times
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quady wrote: January 20th, 2025, 2:39 pm This strikes me as insanely hard to apply fairly without feeling punitive. I think we can all just try to be responsive and not dicks?
Agree with the latter ideally! Agree the enforcement is tricky, but still think that the behavior as a whole is an issue and would rather try to address it, even with a tricky-to-enforce rule
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I voted Yes because id rather see what this does to league.
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as one of the most active gms who is constantly texting people, i personally do not think the anxiety involved with RP penalties is worth it whatsoever, nor do i want the people i'm trying to trade with to be penalized. think it's not a good use of time or energy to police behavior with formal rules. we've all been annoyed at someone for not responding in the past, i know i have plenty of times, but just personally don't care for making rules like this
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Clinton wrote: January 20th, 2025, 2:51 pm If Joe or Jesse steal 500RP from me because of this then i am against it.

Being one of the big “ghosters” in this league, this will get bad fast. What about a rule as well about over stepping with offers? I dont enjoy waking up every day with a text from people in this league(they know who they are) for my player when they already know im not just going to hand my players over.

Im sick of being manipulated in to trades. I know what my team needs, i know what ive been looking for. I know my level of risk. I dont care about how bad you need my player. I AM TRYING TO WIN TOO.

Guess i gotta respond to George rn before he steals 500RP from me
Well it looks like this clearly doesn’t have the votes to pass, so I wouldn’t worry about it - but framing this as “stealing RP” seems pretty unfair. I think if you have a vision for your team and know what you need that’s fine, and also perfectly fine to just respond with “I’m not trading that guy” or whatever, but I think engaging with the league in a positive way and being responsive is kinda part of the contract of signing up to be a part of this and purposefully not responding to other GMs violates that. At least that’s my opinion, but looks like I am in a minority here (at least in terms of wanting to enforce that contract)

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