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SoNicks wrote: February 5th, 2025, 10:22 am i think its a wild notion that just because we job holding GMs who have gotten their roles down to a science, we are the only ones capable of doing the job right.

Maybe i'm grossly underestimating what goes into some of these jobs but the bulk of them don't really seem like rocket science. I definitely acknowledge the time commitment, but is there much need for shadowing and a learning period? I think employed bros have done a fantastic job but would echo what Nick's saying here. I didn't try to get a job when these were selected 2 and a half years ago because I thought I had my hands full enough with figuring out what's going on here (still working on that for sure, harass jwoo on the daily). I think everyone should have an equal opportunity to earn the RP that's paid from these jobs, maybe with the exception of those nick mentioned.

Have no issue with rotating jobs in a vacuum - kind of always anticipated that would be a thing for things like RFA tracker, historians, mle tracker- but don’t agree with any of the specifics of this proposal.

For anything that is more procedural (pick em, RPs, article grading, democracy admin), i think the league runs best with consistency and it doesn’t really make sense to make constant changes to those roles.

Now with that said, what I DON’T want is a perception that certain GMs have access to RP opportunities that other GMs do have. So if there are folks who don’t have RP-paying gigs who would like them, please speak up and I am sure we can find a cool seasonal rp-related thing we can cook up! There are tons of things that can add to the league. Jobs mostly suck and are more annoying and require more work than articles.

Oh I also am definitely against the randomly assigning jobs bit. Only people that want jobs and are committed to doing them well should get jobs

I originally voted yes but shouldve read a little closer and not while I was sitting in a meeting. I think the intent here is good but Im not in favor of random job assignments and I think we can brainstorm new jobs to give more people the opportunity to earn RP/engagement.

SoNicks wrote: February 5th, 2025, 10:13 am
Im just trying to provide a pathway for people to rotate in and out of jobs and make sure that no GM has the right to hold their position in purpituity.

Definitely think your proposal solves this - but I don't understand why this is a problem that needs to be solved. I think if people want to get involved for the sake of getting involved, that opportunity is likely to continue to present itself (e.g., I helped out with organizing the BBB rewards without any expectation of compensation). The only "why"s that make sense to me are that the RP compensation provides an unfair advantage or because people aren't doing their job well enough - or some third reason that I'm not thinking of (please tell me if this is the case!)

Matt wrote: February 5th, 2025, 10:50 am

SoNicks wrote: February 5th, 2025, 10:13 am
Im just trying to provide a pathway for people to rotate in and out of jobs and make sure that no GM has the right to hold their position in purpituity.

Definitely think your proposal solves this - but I don't understand why this is a problem that needs to be solved. I think if people want to get involved for the sake of getting involved, that opportunity is likely to continue to present itself (e.g., I helped out with organizing the BBB rewards without any expectation of compensation). The only "why"s that make sense to me are that the RP compensation provides an unfair advantage or because people aren't doing their job well enough - or some third reason that I'm not thinking of (please tell me if this is the case!)

cuz at least 11 people want a job and their is absolutely no avenue to get one. Weve had i think only 5 positions open up in 2Yr+

I think this is a really healthy discussion we're having. This needs workshopping but I'm glad we're talking about it.

I agree that anyone who wants a job should have access to a job. The idea of conscription is a non-starter for me, that'll create problems, everyone has kinda already said that.

As someone who has a job (NDL Mod, which was left off the list prob as an oversight), I would be fine rotating out, but it requires enough annoying fastidious work that I don't know if anyone else would actually want it, which I think is probably the case for most of the higher-involvement tasks.

I'm not sure exactly what the primary goal is as a collective but I think we can workshop a solution once we kind of nail that down

Jesse wrote: February 5th, 2025, 10:36 am

For anything that is more procedural (pick em, RPs, article grading, democracy admin), i think the league runs best with consistency and it doesn’t really make sense to make constant changes to those roles.

not sure why grading articles is such a protective job if you guys use a rubric and decide between the 3 graders what the rp should be. its a set rubric, and frankly improves the integrity of grading by having everyone involved. Not just 3 people infinitum

Jordo wrote: February 5th, 2025, 10:43 am I originally voted yes but shouldve read a little closer and not while I was sitting in a meeting. I think the intent here is good but Im not in favor of random job assignments and I think we can brainstorm new jobs to give more people the opportunity to earn RP/engagement.

I think in general there’s a lot of proposals that need “committee” work before hitting the floor. The concepts may have merit or be good but the full execution isn’t there. I wonder if a better plan is to bring an idea for discussion. Then rewrite the proposal based on feedback then vote.

Merv wrote: February 5th, 2025, 10:54 am

Jordo wrote: February 5th, 2025, 10:43 am I originally voted yes but shouldve read a little closer and not while I was sitting in a meeting. I think the intent here is good but Im not in favor of random job assignments and I think we can brainstorm new jobs to give more people the opportunity to earn RP/engagement.

I think in general there’s a lot of proposals that need “committee” work before hitting the floor. The concepts may have merit or be good but the full execution isn’t there. I wonder if a better plan is to bring an idea for discussion. Then rewrite the proposal based on feedback then vote.

That is an encouraged use of the Democracy Inaction forum! Doesn't have to just be straight votes! Happy to put together a formal process for hashing out ideas if people think it's necessary/helpful.