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Sim #5 (31-35)
Posted: August 24th, 2025, 7:59 pm
by Joe
Merv wrote: Yesterday, 7:22 pm
Joe wrote: Yesterday, 6:33 pm
Interesting that Scoot and Nolan Traore both have high Inside ratings for PGs, are relatively low volume scorers for what you’d expect given that rating, and are both leading the league in minutes.
Is this the proof that high jumping leads to more time on the floor?
Scoot is a non option averaging 18 per game at SG as a PG. idk if I’d use his stat line as the basis for this
Yeah not meant as slander! Just an observation because it's interesting these two guys are playing the most minutes and Ashes hypothesized about the jumping thing - I think Scoot played PG his first year in SLN but he might have only been B-? Would be fun to see someday what his volume looks like as an option at PG now, as flat B Inside puts him up there with Kyrie, Fultz, Shai, Murray, Peterson, Darius Adams as a top 7 (ish? I didn't look too carefully) Inside rated guy among the PG-eligible, and all those guys do pretty crazy volume at the 1.
Traore is prob a more likely case, as he's averaging 14 pp36 as an option at B- and has super high blocks - we can't know for sure (team composition/DC does matter) but I'd wager he was built with some jumping or at least developed it (if that's a thing that develops?). Just looking at the top minutes guys from last year it seems like a mix of high-jumpers and less high-jumpers so I would be curious to hear if Ashes ever reached a solid conclusion on if there's a connection
Sim #5 (31-35)
Posted: August 24th, 2025, 8:02 pm
by jwoo
He prob has some jumping but I’m running balanced on a team full of scorers so not sure it’s a good case eval
Sim #5 (31-35)
Posted: August 24th, 2025, 8:14 pm
by Merv
Joe wrote: Yesterday, 7:59 pm
Merv wrote: Yesterday, 7:22 pm
Joe wrote: Yesterday, 6:33 pm
Interesting that Scoot and Nolan Traore both have high Inside ratings for PGs, are relatively low volume scorers for what you’d expect given that rating, and are both leading the league in minutes.
Is this the proof that high jumping leads to more time on the floor?
Scoot is a non option averaging 18 per game at SG as a PG. idk if I’d use his stat line as the basis for this
Yeah not meant as slander! Just an observation because it's interesting these two guys are playing the most minutes and Ashes hypothesized about the jumping thing - I think Scoot played PG his first year in SLN but he might have only been B-? Would be fun to see someday what his volume looks like as an option at PG now, as flat B Inside puts him up there with Kyrie, Fultz, Shai, Murray, Peterson, Darius Adams as a top 7 (ish? I didn't look too carefully) Inside rated guy among the PG-eligible, and all those guys do pretty crazy volume at the 1.
Traore is prob a more likely case, as he's averaging 14 pp36 as an option at B- and has super high blocks - we can't know for sure (team composition/DC does matter) but I'd wager he was built with some jumping or at least developed it (if that's a thing that develops?). Just looking at the top minutes guys from last year it seems like a mix of high-jumpers and less high-jumpers so I would be curious to hear if Ashes ever reached a solid conclusion on if there's a connection
I never said the word slander. That was George. He’s never played a full season at PG. I just don’t think he’s the person I’d use to make this argument. He started as a C inside guy, so idk if it’s fair to say his inside is all jumping after the amount of inside gains poured in from the NDL.
Sim #5 (31-35)
Posted: August 24th, 2025, 8:32 pm
by Joe
Merv wrote: Yesterday, 8:14 pm
Joe wrote: Yesterday, 7:59 pm
Merv wrote: Yesterday, 7:22 pm
Scoot is a non option averaging 18 per game at SG as a PG. idk if I’d use his stat line as the basis for this
Yeah not meant as slander! Just an observation because it's interesting these two guys are playing the most minutes and Ashes hypothesized about the jumping thing - I think Scoot played PG his first year in SLN but he might have only been B-? Would be fun to see someday what his volume looks like as an option at PG now, as flat B Inside puts him up there with Kyrie, Fultz, Shai, Murray, Peterson, Darius Adams as a top 7 (ish? I didn't look too carefully) Inside rated guy among the PG-eligible, and all those guys do pretty crazy volume at the 1.
Traore is prob a more likely case, as he's averaging 14 pp36 as an option at B- and has super high blocks - we can't know for sure (team composition/DC does matter) but I'd wager he was built with some jumping or at least developed it (if that's a thing that develops?). Just looking at the top minutes guys from last year it seems like a mix of high-jumpers and less high-jumpers so I would be curious to hear if Ashes ever reached a solid conclusion on if there's a connection
I never said the word slander. That was George. He’s never played a full season at PG. I just don’t think he’s the person I’d use to make this argument. He started as a C inside guy, so idk if it’s fair to say his inside is all jumping after the amount of inside gains poured in from the NDL.
Never said his inside was all jumping! Not it's even possible for a PG to get to flat B inside with all jumping, and he did get plus a million Inside in the NDL. Just guessed he had a good bit based on the minutes/volume combo per ashes research and the fact that the real life guy has like a 50 inch vertical or something absurd like that
Sim #5 (31-35)
Posted: August 24th, 2025, 8:35 pm
by Joe
Separately, just noticed John Collins line this year
Sim #5 (31-35)
Posted: August 24th, 2025, 9:34 pm
by GX.
All I got from this is scoot and Nolan suck and are all jumping
Sim #5 (31-35)
Posted: August 24th, 2025, 9:59 pm
by nolan
Can confirm, I like to jump