Making SLN Great Again - Ideas for Improvement

[Matt]

Will try to make my opinions short and sweet, reminder that they are just my opinions (not trying to tell anyone what to think):

Problem 1 – Shitting on GMs, trades, other team’s players publicly on the boards, etc.

My personal opinion is that this is not a problem right now. Maybe it's because of the toxicity we've seen in past leagues, but man could it be soooo much worse than it is right now lol. I think the closest we've gotten to "disrespectful" or "hurtful" is people being (genuinely) confused about deals and posting some comment like "why would X do this" or something. I too have felt the pit in the stomach feeling of making a bad deal - but imo that's just part of this game, and censoring all reactions to only include positive ones would create a synthetic / fake feeling to the league that would make me much less excited to log on - not because I like reading people getting shit on, but because I like interacting with everyone on the boards and wouldn't want to interact with some PG-rated version of people's thoughts. And I say this as someone who has basically lost every deal I've done in the last 6 seasons (TP deal, trading picks for Tobias and then sucking and having to trade more picks to get those picks back, trading my future for Klay and still sucking, etc.)

More importantly, though, I'd challenge anyone to find downright disrespectful posts - I think they're much more sparse than this article would make it seem.

Problem 2 – Cliques and not really knowing other GMs

All for a meetup / retreat. Not personally that into anything short of meeting up in person (zooms, questionnaires, etc. all more trouble than they're worth imo)

Problem 3 – Active Traders hitting folks up non-stop via text

This seems like a GM-by-GM issue and agree with what most folks have said in response to this - I personally can't believe how often I get ghosted / not responded to and think that is a WAY bigger issue for the league. It's so easy to just say "no thanks" or "let me think about it" or literally anything. I think being a part of this league means making a commitment to being responsive to trade offers - if you don't want to be hit up via phone, that's a personal preference that we can respect, but I think far too many GMs resort to non-responsiveness which is pretty shitty imo.

Problem 4 – Public Complaining on the Boards

Same reaction to Problem 1 - I don't think this is a problem. This doesn't really cause me any headache or heartache whatsoever, and I'd rather not censor or filter people's reactions - we're all human, and if Joe wants to complain about Covid injuries in the playoffs while his team has the single luckiest resignings period of all time, he should be able to do that and I should be able to rip him for it.

Problem 5 – the GMOTY award

Agree that this award is fucked - an article idea I had but never followed through on was looking through everyone's voting history to see 1. how often they vote for GMs in their "clique" and 2. how their rationale changes year to year to fit their voting agenda. But, I don't really see how an ESPYs style award article fixes the problem - either awards are decided on by the author unilaterally or they're voted on and we have the same issue of voting agendas.

[bobby]

reading through all this, feel like I should apologize for my egregious ghosting habits. always been a terrible texter. probably not gonna make a change now

[mantypas/CavsCzar]

Will try to make my opinions short and sweet, reminder that they are just my opinions (not trying to tell anyone what to think):

Problem 1 – Shitting on GMs, trades, other team’s players publicly on the boards, etc.

My personal opinion is that this is not a problem right now. Maybe it's because of the toxicity we've seen in past leagues, but man could it be soooo much worse than it is right now lol. I think the closest we've gotten to "disrespectful" or "hurtful" is people being (genuinely) confused about deals and posting some comment like "why would X do this" or something. I too have felt the pit in the stomach feeling of making a bad deal - but imo that's just part of this game, and censoring all reactions to only include positive ones would create a synthetic / fake feeling to the league that would make me much less excited to log on - not because I like reading people getting shit on, but because I like interacting with everyone on the boards and wouldn't want to interact with some PG-rated version of people's thoughts. And I say this as someone who has basically lost every deal I've done in the last 6 seasons (TP deal, trading picks for Tobias and then sucking and having to trade more picks to get those picks back, trading my future for Klay and still sucking, etc.)

More importantly, though, I'd challenge anyone to find downright disrespectful posts - I think they're much more sparse than this article would make it seem.

Problem 2 – Cliques and not really knowing other GMs

All for a meetup / retreat. Not personally that into anything short of meeting up in person (zooms, questionnaires, etc. all more trouble than they're worth imo)

Problem 3 – Active Traders hitting folks up non-stop via text

This seems like a GM-by-GM issue and agree with what most folks have said in response to this - I personally can't believe how often I get ghosted / not responded to and think that is a WAY bigger issue for the league. It's so easy to just say "no thanks" or "let me think about it" or literally anything. I think being a part of this league means making a commitment to being responsive to trade offers - if you don't want to be hit up via phone, that's a personal preference that we can respect, but I think far too many GMs resort to non-responsiveness which is pretty shitty imo.

Problem 4 – Public Complaining on the Boards

Same reaction to Problem 1 - I don't think this is a problem. This doesn't really cause me any headache or heartache whatsoever, and I'd rather not censor or filter people's reactions - we're all human, and if Joe wants to complain about Covid injuries in the playoffs while his team has the single luckiest resignings period of all time, he should be able to do that and I should be able to rip him for it.

Problem 5 – the GMOTY award

Agree that this award is fucked - an article idea I had but never followed through on was looking through everyone's voting history to see 1. how often they vote for GMs in their "clique" and 2. how their rationale changes year to year to fit their voting agenda. But, I don't really see how an ESPYs style award article fixes the problem - either awards are decided on by the author unilaterally or they're voted on and we have the same issue of voting agendas.

really appreciate the feedback here tree dad! I can see how a lot of my post made it seem like we should only post kumbaya rah rah rah positive thoughts. I realize how kinda weird and backwards that is, and I don't think that only positivity should be posted because itd be all fake nice and shit. I absolutely want us all to be our genuine selves here and give our own genuine thoughts. I guess just be mindful of how things could be perceived by their audience and try not to intentionally be a dick? lol . Also - very against censorship, first amendment rules. Didnt even realize thats how some of this came across. I thought it was more Karen-y

[raptors]

Will try to make my opinions short and sweet, reminder that they are just my opinions (not trying to tell anyone what to think):

Problem 1 – Shitting on GMs, trades, other team’s players publicly on the boards, etc.

My personal opinion is that this is not a problem right now. Maybe it's because of the toxicity we've seen in past leagues, but man could it be soooo much worse than it is right now lol. I think the closest we've gotten to "disrespectful" or "hurtful" is people being (genuinely) confused about deals and posting some comment like "why would X do this" or something. I too have felt the pit in the stomach feeling of making a bad deal - but imo that's just part of this game, and censoring all reactions to only include positive ones would create a synthetic / fake feeling to the league that would make me much less excited to log on - not because I like reading people getting shit on, but because I like interacting with everyone on the boards and wouldn't want to interact with some PG-rated version of people's thoughts. And I say this as someone who has basically lost every deal I've done in the last 6 seasons (TP deal, trading picks for Tobias and then sucking and having to trade more picks to get those picks back, trading my future for Klay and still sucking, etc.)

More importantly, though, I'd challenge anyone to find downright disrespectful posts - I think they're much more sparse than this article would make it seem.

Problem 2 – Cliques and not really knowing other GMs

All for a meetup / retreat. Not personally that into anything short of meeting up in person (zooms, questionnaires, etc. all more trouble than they're worth imo)

Problem 3 – Active Traders hitting folks up non-stop via text

This seems like a GM-by-GM issue and agree with what most folks have said in response to this - I personally can't believe how often I get ghosted / not responded to and think that is a WAY bigger issue for the league. It's so easy to just say "no thanks" or "let me think about it" or literally anything. I think being a part of this league means making a commitment to being responsive to trade offers - if you don't want to be hit up via phone, that's a personal preference that we can respect, but I think far too many GMs resort to non-responsiveness which is pretty shitty imo.

Problem 4 – Public Complaining on the Boards

Same reaction to Problem 1 - I don't think this is a problem. This doesn't really cause me any headache or heartache whatsoever, and I'd rather not censor or filter people's reactions - we're all human, and if Joe wants to complain about Covid injuries in the playoffs while his team has the single luckiest resignings period of all time, he should be able to do that and I should be able to rip him for it.

Problem 5 – the GMOTY award

Agree that this award is fucked - an article idea I had but never followed through on was looking through everyone's voting history to see 1. how often they vote for GMs in their "clique" and 2. how their rationale changes year to year to fit their voting agenda. But, I don't really see how an ESPYs style award article fixes the problem - either awards are decided on by the author unilaterally or they're voted on and we have the same issue of voting agendas.

really appreciate the feedback here tree dad! I can see how a lot of my post made it seem like we should only post kumbaya rah rah rah positive thoughts. I realize how kinda weird and backwards that is, and I don't think that only positivity should be posted because itd be all fake nice and shit. I absolutely want us all to be our genuine selves here and give our own genuine thoughts. I guess just be mindful of how things could be perceived by their audience and try not to intentionally be a dick? lol . Also - very against censorship, first amendment rules. Didnt even realize thats how some of this came across. I thought it was more Karen-y

Don’t feel bad dude! I think it’s obvious your whole post came from the right place. Think this is a healthy discussion/forum for us all which was probably the goal

[LaVar]

“Im gonna post” * rips da penjamin*

Problem 1

“For the love of the game”

What if I love to debate about fair market value and share my opinions? Banter isn’t and shouldn’t be just all positivity and uplifting. Thats not how anything social on planet earth works realistically speaking. Where there is passion there is discourse. The very nature of this endeavor is competition, which inherently is about being better than the guy across the table from you. debating is a great thing, it makes us think in other ways and challenge ourselves and our own beliefs. Pressure makes diamonds. Calluses make us more durable. Experience and learning and improvement is how we master our trade, pun intended.

Constructive criticism and other peoples opinions can only create bad vibes if you make them into a negative. It’s up to you to stop forest fires look at it from a positive stand point and take something positive out of it. We’re men and we should be able to articulate and handle both ends of the spectrum of commentary. There is a difference between blasting a guy for being an idiot and disagreeing with the valuation of a trade. If people are rudely blasting you then @Me, I’ll B- them into the shadow realm. I’ll fuckin argue the merits of having ice maker in an igloo with an Inuit.

From an analytical PoV, public comments containing criticism will help gms better gauge fair market value for themselves and as well as other specific GMs their particular trade valuation. useful intel in playing the “trading” side of the game theory of BBL. If GMs are dicks or you just plain don’t want to hear it then just post that or message them. “I don’t wanna hear it I’ll meme shame you if you do”or “ no constructive criticism zone, let me die of my own volition if you are a non believer” Every one in the league can and will respect that.

Problem 2
The O6 Cabal is real!!! They are out to get us. They feed on their superiority over us and must dominate us at all times!!! We must fillabuster them! They are the deep state of BBL! Sell Puts on they assess!

/s don’t at me

I’m down to make friends and foster bonds as much as the next grunt in the trench. It’s a busy life we find ourselves in so anything time intensive or forced will inevitably come off disingenuous. For me personally, I think very few members of the league are gonna look at my nonsense and energy and think “yah fuck it imma reach out and be homies with that guy, should be fun”. Now I do color myself a ‘fun guy’ and an even better friend to those who get to know me well enough, but i don’t wanna require people to get to know me or read about me, my self esteem can’t take the fakeness some will unintentionally bring. I get enough of that during the holidays NGL.

Fostering friendships takes time and the uncomfortablility of reaching out and reciprocating. If you got a specific hobby you wanna see if others are interested in, maybe post about it in the off-topic and have the confidence to reply to others extending the hand of invitation in their off topic posts

But the reality is there really is no tried and true way to easily foster the bonds of men from different walks of life without mutual experiences in the flesh.

SOOO if we wanna get real about that let’s plan a massive SLN retreat in the distant future and book a massive really nice Airbnb mansion estate compound somewhere on a beach or golf course. Set up the triennial SLN meet up. I’d go.

A personal questionnaire could be fun for RP if the questions are of the right kind opposed to a census. Or just start your pods with some banter and round table talk and then get on to the main show. Make it 250 RP if it’s just the brass tax and 350RP if the people chat about irl stuff to start.

Problem 3
No contrarian take, I’m a menace. Open invitation here, if you want me to only message you trade talk on the boards and keep the texting for personal talk, I will not be offended in the slightest. Just text me the emoji of a shoe, I’ll get the message!

I have no clear filter or ability to delineate when the line is crossed in the incessant meme-ing and trade spamming. I can easily binge trade spam on the boards instead.
I have literally been told “I thought this was a sim basketball league, not a sim texting league” lmao. shit had me listening to Tom Petty Vinyl for a week, if you know what I mean .

I concur Dr solid take.

Problem 4
Maybe people just need a huge! I don’t mind people venting their frustrations, we’re only human after all. We’re literally electrified meat, what did you expect? I also don’t mind Jordo Memeing them with reminders that they aren’t special and are in fact one of us as a result too

Problem 5
Gmoy is trash. It’s like Highschool prom and I’m watching Kipke win that fucking thing FOUR STRAIGHT YEARS. I’m fucking handsome and can sing and study and break down football Christian prayer huddles even though I Jewish too! Literally wtf!!!
(Jk he probably only won 3, one year was A curveball year who we voted for and it ended up with the staff publicly shaming everyone cuz the girl wasn’t “pretty enough” to be prom queen so it “clearly” had to be a joke and ripped the honor from her, resulting in her leaving the school)

I digress. I too think GMOY is poop and over powered in its rewards. WGMOY and my optional punishments are goated. Change my mind that a video of a Gm power eating 7 packets of mini powdered donuts without any liquids wouldn’t make us feel closer to our fellow Gm damnit (btw quicker they complete equals more RP)!

i ain't reading all that

[SoNicks]

“Im gonna post” * rips da penjamin*

Problem 1

“For the love of the game”

What if I love to debate about fair market value and share my opinions? Banter isn’t and shouldn’t be just all positivity and uplifting. Thats not how anything social on planet earth works realistically speaking. Where there is passion there is discourse. The very nature of this endeavor is competition, which inherently is about being better than the guy across the table from you. debating is a great thing, it makes us think in other ways and challenge ourselves and our own beliefs. Pressure makes diamonds. Calluses make us more durable. Experience and learning and improvement is how we master our trade, pun intended.

Constructive criticism and other peoples opinions can only create bad vibes if you make them into a negative. It’s up to you to stop forest fires look at it from a positive stand point and take something positive out of it. We’re men and we should be able to articulate and handle both ends of the spectrum of commentary. There is a difference between blasting a guy for being an idiot and disagreeing with the valuation of a trade. If people are rudely blasting you then @Me, I’ll B- them into the shadow realm. I’ll fuckin argue the merits of having ice maker in an igloo with an Inuit.

From an analytical PoV, public comments containing criticism will help gms better gauge fair market value for themselves and as well as other specific GMs their particular trade valuation. useful intel in playing the “trading” side of the game theory of BBL. If GMs are dicks or you just plain don’t want to hear it then just post that or message them. “I don’t wanna hear it I’ll meme shame you if you do”or “ no constructive criticism zone, let me die of my own volition if you are a non believer” Every one in the league can and will respect that.

Problem 2
The O6 Cabal is real!!! They are out to get us. They feed on their superiority over us and must dominate us at all times!!! We must fillabuster them! They are the deep state of BBL! Sell Puts on they assess!

/s don’t at me

I’m down to make friends and foster bonds as much as the next grunt in the trench. It’s a busy life we find ourselves in so anything time intensive or forced will inevitably come off disingenuous. For me personally, I think very few members of the league are gonna look at my nonsense and energy and think “yah fuck it imma reach out and be homies with that guy, should be fun”. Now I do color myself a ‘fun guy’ and an even better friend to those who get to know me well enough, but i don’t wanna require people to get to know me or read about me, my self esteem can’t take the fakeness some will unintentionally bring. I get enough of that during the holidays NGL.

Fostering friendships takes time and the uncomfortablility of reaching out and reciprocating. If you got a specific hobby you wanna see if others are interested in, maybe post about it in the off-topic and have the confidence to reply to others extending the hand of invitation in their off topic posts

But the reality is there really is no tried and true way to easily foster the bonds of men from different walks of life without mutual experiences in the flesh.

SOOO if we wanna get real about that let’s plan a massive SLN retreat in the distant future and book a massive really nice Airbnb mansion estate compound somewhere on a beach or golf course. Set up the triennial SLN meet up. I’d go.

A personal questionnaire could be fun for RP if the questions are of the right kind opposed to a census. Or just start your pods with some banter and round table talk and then get on to the main show. Make it 250 RP if it’s just the brass tax and 350RP if the people chat about irl stuff to start.

Problem 3
No contrarian take, I’m a menace. Open invitation here, if you want me to only message you trade talk on the boards and keep the texting for personal talk, I will not be offended in the slightest. Just text me the emoji of a shoe, I’ll get the message!

I have no clear filter or ability to delineate when the line is crossed in the incessant meme-ing and trade spamming. I can easily binge trade spam on the boards instead.
I have literally been told “I thought this was a sim basketball league, not a sim texting league” lmao. shit had me listening to Tom Petty Vinyl for a week, if you know what I mean .

I concur Dr solid take.

Problem 4
Maybe people just need a huge! I don’t mind people venting their frustrations, we’re only human after all. We’re literally electrified meat, what did you expect? I also don’t mind Jordo Memeing them with reminders that they aren’t special and are in fact one of us as a result too

Problem 5
Gmoy is trash. It’s like Highschool prom and I’m watching Kipke win that fucking thing FOUR STRAIGHT YEARS. I’m fucking handsome and can sing and study and break down football Christian prayer huddles even though I Jewish too! Literally wtf!!!
(Jk he probably only won 3, one year was A curveball year who we voted for and it ended up with the staff publicly shaming everyone cuz the girl wasn’t “pretty enough” to be prom queen so it “clearly” had to be a joke and ripped the honor from her, resulting in her leaving the school)

I digress. I too think GMOY is poop and over powered in its rewards. WGMOY and my optional punishments are goated. Change my mind that a video of a Gm power eating 7 packets of mini powdered donuts without any liquids wouldn’t make us feel closer to our fellow Gm damnit (btw quicker they complete equals more RP)!

i ain't reading all that

i support that
SHM Ashes wouldve read that and considered all of his creations words.

Poor Big Baller cant read can he :'(

[Skillz]

Vibes would be better if we all made trades rn instead of talking about vibes

JUST ONE MAN'S OPINION

[Skillz]

No one has made a move in 11 days!

[Concepts of a Plan]

No one has made a move in 11 days!

Isn’t like half the league out of contract?

[Skillz]

I see 300 players eligible to be MOVED!!!!